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God beyond Thoughts and Words

The extended quotation below is from Gerald McDermott in Can Evangelicals Learn from World Religions? Jesus, Revelation and Religious Traditions.

I quote it with an eye to Emerging Church interest in apophatic theology – for example, the Pete Rollins book “How (Not) To Speak Of God”, but there’s also a biographical angle to this, in that I have been highly influenced by Zen in the way that Gerald McDermott describes in this passage. I was into Zen before Christianity and a significant part of my early Christian formation was centered around how to engage with Zen in the manner of Paul Hiebert’s model of critical contextualization.

God beyond Thoughts and Words

Once we recognize that Buddhist traditions differ from Christianity in both goals and methods, we are ready to see that nevertheless they may help us understand the reality of God in Christ more clearly. In particular, their experience of the distance between ordinary perception and reality can help check our natural presumption when talking about God.

Gotama Buddha and his successors always stressed that transcendent truth lies beyond sense perception and intellectual conception. From the standpoint of our ordinary experience and thought, final truth is what they call ‘empty’. It cannot be filled with any of our conceptions (at least with any degree of precision) because it lies beyond them. Similarly all events and objects measured against the standard of ultimate truth are also empty, they argued, because they are limited by space and time whereas final truth transcends both categories. Hence perfect wisdom means seeing that ultimate reality is void (Sunya), which means not non-existent but beyond all powers of discrimination. The Buddha never denied the real existence of what we call final reality; he only denied the existence of a name for it. For him the attempt to identify Reality with a word or concept was presumptuous – akin to anthropomorphism. He insisted we cannot penetrate ultimate reality (what Christians would call God) by exercises of will or intellectual formulas. He denied a one-to-one correspondence between thinking and being.

Thomas Aquinas saw a similar distinction between God and our thinking about God. “The mind is found to be most perfectly in possession of the knowledge of God,” he asserted, “when it is recognized that his essence is above everything that the mind is capable of apprehending in this life.” God is not understandable in terms taken from this world. Language about God therefore, “is not confined by the meaning of our word but goes beyond it” “Therefore, the knowledge by which God is seen through creatures is not a knowledge of his essence, but a knowledge that is dark and mirrored, and from afar.”

Aquinas and other scholastics showed us that we know God best by way of preeminence, which comes only after affirmation and negation. For example, we affirm God is beauty but then deny that God is beauty in the way that we ordinarily experience beauty, for all earthly experience of beauty is only a dim and broken refraction of original beauty, which flows like a fountain out of God. Who defines the meaning of beauty. Thus we affirm that God is beauty but only in a preeminent way: careful not to contaminate God by identifying him with our finite creaturely standards and noting that human affirmations about God are not to be absolutised or converted into idols. Discourse about God has no terms of comparison since it is by definition unique and therefore incomparable. “Purely affirmative theology without negative theology makes God a creature of our intellects, a projection of our imagination.” On the other hand, negative theology without the further turn to the way of preeminence leads to an epistemological agnosticism that denies the biblical testimony that “the Word became flesh and lived among us”

This method can also help us understand what it means to think of God as a person. Aquinas would remind us that God is not a person as we ordinarily think of persons. Buddhist thinkers would add that none of our ideas of personhood have exact correspondence in God (Of course while Mahayana and Tibetan thinkers would agree that the divine is personal, Theravadins would deny the existence of any deity such as Christians profess). Neither is God impersonal, for Jesus showed us that God incarnate is a human person. Nor is God both, since God is simple and not a composite. In some mysterious way that is beyond our grasp, then, God the Person is infinitely more than we can conceive when we use the word. And he is certainly no less…

.. Sometimes we evangelicals worship an idol and call it God. We think of Jesus as our buddy, or call God “The Big Man” or “The Man Upstairs.” The Buddhist traditions can remind us that God is infinitely distant from what we claim we worship and may in fact have no relation to the object of our prayer and talk. Buddhist insights, despite falling short of the true God, can teach us reverence before the mystery of God and more respect in the face of the ultimate and ineffable in God. They can remind us that all positive statements about God must be negated in order to be lifted up finally in the infinite: God is immeasurably ineffable, infinitely good, absolute goodness. Hence God simultaneously transcends and permeates the world and human beings; he is infinitely far yet closer to us than we are to ourselves, “intangible yet we experience [God’s] presence, present even when we experience [God’s] absence.” Every statement must pass through the dialectic of affirmation and negation before it can be conceived as preeminent.

Chew on that!

Where I differ with guys like Pete Rollins is that in my opinion he stops short. He does not move through affirmation and negation to preeminence but gets stuck on negation, on how (not) to speak of God without moving though to the other side.

Where I also differ with him is in thinking this sort of theologizing is unprecedented and unique to the Emerging Church movement. He projects a reified picture back onto earlier and contemporary manifestations of Christianity that are not entirely warranted. Gerald McDermott himself is a prime example. While I’ve been involved in discussion boards with him and can thereby say he has some Emerging Church contact they were not Emerging Church boards and he does not himself identify with the Emerging Church movement. His prime influence is actually the revivalist preacher Jonathan Edwards. So, our understanding of Christianity does not always match the Christian reality either. None of us are exempt; we can only strive to minimize the gap.

9 responses to “God beyond Thoughts and Words”

  1. Sun Warrior Avatar

    The next question would be: why is this so important to humans?
    … getting over the separation anxiety, but still through the mind.
    How can spirituality make the importance of this question go away in an experiential way that does not negate this version of Creation, Time, but makes it evaporate in peaceful consciousness? With poetic simplicity of perception instead of complex intellectual description?

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  2. Matt Stone Avatar

    I’d say this is so important to humans simply because we’re more consciously aware of it.
    The Creator transcends all creation and all creatures, all spirits of whatever shape or origin, so we all experience a gap between our perception of reality and the reality of Reality. Everything under the sun faces the same limitations. It’s not just a human thing. But to use an analogy, it’s just a reminder that the map is only ever an approximation of the territory, and us map makers are wise not to forget it.

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  3. Sun Warrior Avatar

    Humans are unique in Creation because we are the only ones that ARE separated from reality. Civilized religion strives to connect with the Godhead, while earth religions center on Creation, sans God. So spiritually we are rooked until a rapprochement can be established between the two.
    Then there is the unique situation that Christianity created, which is science. Believing that reality is dust, the Church created the mindset that reality is only God, humans and inert matter. So it spawned science that agreed, but only left out God in their equation. Until Christianity can deal with the truth of its child as a reflection of itself, the perceptual issue of humans separated from reality will prevent the birth a new world spirituality that incorporates all the elements that civilization has split apart and segregated over the last 12,000 years.
    No other entity in Creation has been subject to this blindness. And popularly, we are not even aware that there is anything more in Creation than humans and molecules. Though we know we are not the material center of the universe, we still believe we are the center of the conscious universe, God’s only children.
    There’s a lot of issues we have to deal with. Not a pretty prospect.

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  4. Matt Stone Avatar

    See this is where I would disagree.
    Closing the gap between ‘perception of reality’ and the ‘reality of reality’ requires perfect perception. But what creatures have that? Every living thing has it’s perceptual strengths (eg. bats have great hearing, dog have great smell) and perceptual weaknesses (eg. they both suck at seeing). We are all subject to our subjective limitations. No creature can sense gravity waves or see down to the quantum level (where reality gets really weird) and even our best approximations are still only approximations. Civilization is not the cause of this. This is just what it means to be finite. No creature can sense everything infinitely, no creature is omniscient, or even fully conscious. We all have limitations.
    I would say civilization does not create the gap – it merely magnifies the size of the mistakes we can make through acting on misconceptions. Where civilization has a unique blame is not in the realm of sensory perception but in the realm of moral culpability.
    Whilst I see some merit to your summary of the differences between theistic religions and nature religions I do find it somewhat reified. Only this evening I attended a talk on green Christianity where a Christian worldview model was displayed, showing a triangle with God in one corner, Humanity in another and the Land in another. Showing each in relationship to each other. True not all Christians think this way – but not all don’t either.
    As for science, I find it amusing that Christianity is lambasted in our culture BOTH as the midwife of science AND as the aborted of science SIMULTANEOUSLY! Seems we are damned if we did and damned if we didn’t. Personally I see the situation as somewhat more complex. It is true that Christianity spawned the likes of Pascal and other formative figures in the fields of maths and science, but the same could be said for Alchemy (which spawned Chemistry), Astrology (which spawned Astronomy), and I could go on. Also, it should not escape our attention that the Renaissance period owed more than a little to Christendom’s rediscovery of Pagan classics. We can claim some credit/blame for the scientific revolution but this child we speak of has many parents.
    I have been speaking of heroes in my recent post and I was reminded last night that Noah needs to be recovered as one of many heroes for green Christians. The flood story of Genesis is a story of ecological crisis. Humanity had gotten out of control and all creation beared the consequences. Sound familiar? What did Noah do? Did he stop just with saving his family? No. Did he stop just with saving domestic animals and food crops that were directly useful to humans? Again, no. He sought to save every species including all the wild ones. And when he had saved them, God made a covenant with them all. Not just with Noah but with all the creatures on the Arc. Irrespective of whether you credit this story with any historical authenticity or not, the fact is this is a formative story for Christians, one which we tell our kids, and it clearly expresses concern for wider issues than just God and Humanity. I see the path for us Christians is not to abandon the faith but to recover neglected teachings in this deep heritage of ours.

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  5. Sun Warrior Avatar

    Yes, it is the magnification of one form of perception of reality over another that has been the spiritual bane of civilized humans.
    Genesis is the foundation of our perception. In myth it casts a perfect light on our quandary. Adam chose to live by knowledge over wisdom. God granted his wish. And anthropologists would agree that our journey from that beginning point has been the increasing strength of knowledge over wisdom, mind over heart.
    We are here to choose the perception of reality we wish. Wisdom you just have to accept. Whereas knowledge is disconnected from the ‘whole’ of Creation. Religion is a civilized institution, with both mind and heart battling for a return to God, but with the mind’s strength and the civilized imperative to govern society hierarchically to create and maintain order.
    So we are compromised from the start, and only the very brave let go of the mind and live purely from the heart, whatever the consequences.
    No creature except humans are in the predicament of being out of balance in their perception of reality. Humans feel separate from nature and God. No other creature does. Humans feel special because they can choose using knowledge. No other creature finds that attractive. They understand that they are not ‘like’ God, and so do not strive to be ultimate Creation/Consciousness. They know and can be who they really are. Humans want to decide that. We do not want to be part of All, but want to approach the lofty heights of omniscience and omnipotence of God, and in that state find Salvation through reintegration with ‘reality’ as the ‘first born sons’ of God. That is the thrust of the mind, and it shades our hearts. Other creatures do not concern themselves about this artificial perception of Time and Space. But the descendants of Adam do.
    Science IS a caused by Christianity. The Church reduced reality to simply God, humans, and objective matter. Then classical intellectuality was re-introduced. The Church doesn’t have to feel guilty about this. The Church simply does not understand why it was set-up to do this by God. It was its purpose, to form civilization into a concentrated condition for this journey of the ascendant mind that Adam chose. It was the purpose of Jesus, but it is not widely appreciated. Jesus is the ultimate contrast to the civilized condition, and the mind has been focused on this problem ever since. Jesus was sent to confuse the civilized mind, and thus seduce it to challenge the dominant mind’s nemesis, authority. Now we are in a state of scientific knowledge supremacy in our perception, the Church even using science academic tools to keep its position and explain itself.
    I love your ‘green’ explanation of Noah. How can God treat All life of Creation with the same respect that humans only give to humans? It shows the divide in our perception, not as noticeable in Noah’s time, but stark in our artificial urban environment now. God gives equality between Creation and humans, in contrast to the dust of the Creation myth. Which version do we choose?
    We all know that racism and sexism is bad. Slave owners and misogynists believe their perception of reality is ‘normal,’ and justified in the Bible. The latest ‘ism that is in this state of mind, is ‘environmentalism.’ Nature, or Creation, is alive. But we do not respect this life like we do human life. It is there to meet our ‘needs.’ So we treat the life of Creation as a concept that we can fix like a car engine, we manage it, instead of respect like we do the reverence of human life. By keeping nature as a concept, we believe we can defend the ‘heaven-on-earth’ we have created, healing the sick, feeding the poor, and bringing the dead back to life on the operating table, just as Jesus showed us. We don’t want to give that up. And we created this using knowledge of science, not wisdom. So both society and the Church will fail to ‘save the earth’ for humans, because it remains our slave, reduced to concept, feeling natural to do so. The triumph of the mind and knowledge over the heart and wisdom. God taught Noah that humans are special, sick because they are out of harmony with the life of Creation. We have refined the separation in modern times to new heights.
    Religion is a civilized institution, a product of mind AND Spirit. But we don’t focus too much on the mind. It is supposed to figure out our Salvation. Kinda like relying on the drug dealer as our rehab nurse. We think that mind, heart and consciousness are one. But ancient wisdom knows that the mind must bow to the heart’s wisdom. But the civilized mind does not defer, but chooses for itself. It is a critical distinction that infects even the Church.
    What do we know of civilization, if all we have ever known is civilization? Human-centered, mind-centered, knowledge-centered, wanting reality to conform to its invisible criteria to decide what is reality, instead of just accepting it, Nature, humans, Creation and Creator as One. We have lost the ability to perceive that. And the mind plays tricks on us to make us think we can figure it out.

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  6. John Avatar
    John

    From my favourite “philosopher”.
    “If you truly observe the event of sorrow, you will notice that its ORIGIN is associated with the head, and not with either the heart or the abdominal region. You can feel sorrow arising as a kind of contraction in the depth of your head. It sends out signals that register elsewhere,in the heart,and in the abdominal region(physically, emotionally, and so on), but it is fundamentally a contraction of the head—contracting from what is otherwise a radiant, expansive, sensuous, opening-into-the-Light disposition of the head, and into a knotted, contracted, thinking, doubting, puzzling, searching, threatened, nothing-you-can-do-about-it, helpless head-sensation, with all kinds of thoughts racing around in it, negating radiant life—unable to feel, to accept love, and so forth, because of the fear of potential loss, and all kinds of complicated thinking and emoting. All of this originates in the head.
    Sorrow and doubt are the same kind of thing, the same crunch in the head. And sorrow—or loss turning into sorrow—puts you into doubt simultaneously. That is the really bothersome part about it—the fact that as soon as there is loss and consequent sorrow, you begin to doubt existence itself. You douby everything. Everything is Dark. You are cut of from everything—everything good, everything Divine, life altogether, pleasure. You are divorced from everything, put into absolute doubt by the concussion of loss and your reaction to it.
    It entirely your own action that is doing all of it. It is simply an act, or an intentional pattern, for which you must become responsible. Doubt is not something that equips you to find out things better. Doubt is trouble, a false doctrine, a self-imposed obstacle, an illusory demon, an emotional apparition, a foggy limit on anything and everything you examine. Doubt is an armouring, a form of suffering, a limitation in the head—and therefore a limitation on clear thinking also. And doubt (as a chronically self-imposed psycho-physical pattern( is the fundamental disposition of mind that characterizes mankind in this “dark” epoch. It is a universal dramatization. This indulgence in doubt destroys the basis for heart-and-body-sanity, because doubt cuts the head off from What Is Above and Beyond—and That “What” is Everything Beyond the gross dimension of existence.”

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  7. Bekah Avatar
    Bekah

    I think that we can definately learn things from other religions. The easterners know way more than we do about how to leave the body (good way to literally meet Jesus!), how to acheive expanded awareness, the ‘anatomy’ of the spirit etc. We not agree with them on the ‘big’ issues but that does not mean that everything they know is a load of rubbish!

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  8. Matt Stone Avatar

    I think a good passage to contemplate when considering peak experience phenomena is 1 Corinthians 13:
    “If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
    Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
    And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.”
    I could easily imagine Paul saying, if I journey to the highest heavens and experience ultimate bliss but do not love, I am nothing. It brings to mind the difference between spiritual gifts and spiritual fruit.
    I think there is much we can learn from Buddhism, Taoism and Hinduism (and I have) but the deepest truths require no deep knowledge, only the receptivity a nobody (to paraphrase Jesus on coming like a child)

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  9. Peggy Avatar

    Well said, Matt…what incredible tension there is in the drive for perceiving and knowing and the necessity for wisdom in order to behave in a righteous and godly manner (love) based on that which we have perceived and known.
    The ultimate tension is that already-not yet clause…that we already perceive/know partially, but do not yet perceive and know completely. And judgment falls on us in that wisdom is deemed the poor cousin of knowledge.
    Takes me back…again…to my professor who continually hammered us with: privilege (which I’ll align here with knowledge) is always given for a purpose (which I’ll align here with wisdom and love). When the people of God clamor for God’s blessing and privilege without using it to accomplish God’s purpose, there will always be problems!
    Many of my dear friends have said to me that it is a blessing that I am not overly educated because it allows me to be receptive to things I would (as “they” do too often) otherwise dismiss as too simple to be true.
    (Note: I say this because I can often be found mourning the fact that I am not well educated in the traditional sense. I have great respect for formal education–but not everyone gets that chance, and its lack does not completely hinder the Holy Spirit’s ability to teach the ready, willing and diligent Christ-follower.)
    Part of embracing extreme brokenness is in being free to do and be whatever God empowers. We do so hate obedience and dependence, though, don’t we? Yet that is the reality of the child’s world that gives creative genius to the brilliance of childlikeness and wonder.
    And so I am also frequently fond of saying: just the right mix of order and chaos gives birth to creativity and relationship.

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