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What are your thoughts on panENtheism? I have been meaning to write a post on panentheism for some time in response to some issues Kay raised here and here.

And my response? Basically I find the word definitionally problematic, and by way of demonstration I would draw your attention to wikipedia, where distinctions are drawn between pan-entheism and panen-theism.

For example, here:

In Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Christianity, creation is not “part of” God, and the Godhead is still distinct from creation; however, God is “within” all creation, thus the parsing of the word in Eastern and Oriental Orthodox Christianity is “pan-entheism” (God indwells in all things) and not “panen-theism” (All things are part of God but God is more than the sum of all things).

And here:

This Orthodox Christian panentheism is distinct from a fundamentalist panentheism in that it maintains an ontological gulf or distance between the created and the Uncreated. Creation is not “part of” God, and the Godhead is still distinct from creation; however, God is “within” all creation, thus the Orthodox parsing of the word is “pan-entheism” (God indwells in all things) and not “panen-theism” (All things are part of God but God is more than the sum of all things).

And here:

Panentheistic God-models are exceptionally common amongst professional theologians (exegetes, Christian ethicists, and religious philosophers). Process theology, Creation Spirituality and Panentheist Circle, three Christian views, contain panentheistic worldviews. Their models of panentheism are distinct from that of the Orthodox Churches.

Some argue that panentheism should also include the notion that God has always been related to some world or another, which denies the idea of creation out of nothing (creatio ex nihilo). Thomas Jay Oord advocates panentheism, but he uses the word “theocosmocentrism” to highlight the notion that God and some world or another are the primary conceptual starting blocks for eminently fruitful theology. This form of panentheism helps in overcoming the problem of evil and in proposing that God’s love for the world is essential to who God is.

Do you see what I am talking about?

  • The theological models spoken of here are radically different to one another: one affirms the radical dependence of the creation on the Creator (see my post on monotheistic mysticism), the others variously affirm the non-omniscience of the Creator, the co-dependence between creation and Creator, and even uncreated materiality. 
  • The words used are identical apart from a hyphen.
  • That all important hyphen is omitted everywhere else in this article.
  • Few people are even alert to this distinction.
  • It is thus all to easy for people to confuse and even conflate the models, to conclude Orthodox mystics and Process theologians are talking about the same thing.
  • And I haven’t even tried to engage with what non-Christians understand panentheism to mean yet!

So now, having surveyed that, hopefully I can begin to explain myself. Personally I accept the Orthodox view, I see the Spirit moving within creation and I find much biblical support for it, but I prefer not to use the word “pan-entheism” to describe my view as it is too easily confused with Process Theology, a view which I am highly critical of, in terms of both Biblical and Scientific support, or scarcity thereof, particularly since most people use the word indescriminantly, without a hyphen. I also prefer not to use the word as there have been plenty of other Christians who have acknowledged the omnipresence of God (such as Calvin) without feeling a need to invoke panentheistic language. So, just call me a monotheist who affirms the immanence and omnipresence of God.

11 responses to “Panentheism: Why I don’t like the word”

  1. Kay Avatar

    I appreciate the distinction Matt.
    Actually, years ago when I was on a particular Christian forum, I got into a huge argument with a Process panentheist. He seemed to think that only the Process view was truly panentheistic. Of course I disagreed at the time.
    Nowdays I agree with you as to why the label might be losing it’s usefulness.
    Moltmann’s view, if I understand it, is heavily influenced by the Trinity. It is this view of panentheism that I appreciate. Perhaps a new descriptive term should be created. 🙂

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  2. Peggy Avatar

    I’m with you, Matt…just a simple perichoretical monotheist ;^)

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  3. Kay Avatar

    perichoretical
    Ooooh, I’d forgotten about that word. I researched it a while back. I remember really liking the image it conveyed. Thanks for the reminder!
    kay

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  4. sally Avatar

    well wikepedia is notoriously flaky- anyone can edit it! that aside yes these are difficult and problematic distinctions… orthodoxy with a small “o” is the way to go- now if only we really were able to grasp it and turn that orthodox thinking into orthopraxy!!!

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  5. Matt Stone Avatar

    Not using Wikipedia as an authoritative source Sally, just as an example of how definitional problems arise.
    And I think there are some very important issues of praxis lurking behind this, specifically in terms of how our God-models affect our theodicy and how that relates to mystical experience on the one hand and our response to injustice on the other.
    Pan-entheism, in affirming the ontological dualism between creation and the Creator on the one hand, and the eschatological dualism between the now and the not yet on the other, demands we take seriously the holiness of the Spirit and seek to restore justice in the world and in our personal life.
    Panen-theism, in denying the ontological dualism between creation and the Creator on the one hand, and the eschatological dualism between the now and the not yet on the other, demands that we either relativize evil, in a manner similar to pantheism, or question the omnipotence and omniscience of God, as we find in process theology. So in effect, either our confidence in discerning between justice and injustice is undermined, or our confidence in God having the power to do anything about it is undermined. Either way, orthopraxis suffers.

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  6. Kay Avatar

    With the distinctions that you and Wiki make, I’d say my view has always been closer to Pan-entheism. However, it’s always been my view that Process thought is pantheistic, not panentheistic. Just my opinion though. They don’t agree with me. 😉

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  7. Steve Hayes Avatar

    I don’t much like the word myself, but if anyopne asks (as some have) whether I’m talking about panentheism, I say yes, because that describes the Orthodox view, though it is not explicitly used by any Orthodox theologians that I know of.
    I wasn’t aware of the other meaning you mentioned.

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  8. Chuck Avatar
    Chuck

    After 35 years of agnosticism, I’m beginning to re-examine my feelings about belief in God, etc. I’m really glad I stumbled onto your blog. I must admit that I’ve found the concept of panentheism quite compelling (that is “panen-theism”–All things are part of God but God is more than the sum of all things). I got lost with much of your discussion, but my question is, isn’t panen-theism just another way of saying you believe in a God that is both immanent and transcendent? I’m attracted to this concept as well as the compatible concept that, rather than the universe being created BY God, the universe was created FROM God. In other words, God created the universe out of Him(Her)self. This seems reasonable because, at the time of the Big Bang, what else did God have to work with? It also supports the concept that all things are part of God but God is more than the sum of all things, as well as a God that is both immanent and transcendent. If that’s all panen-theism is, then why not embrace it? As I said, I don’t understand all the associated baggage that the word might imply among more sophisticated theologians. I’d appreciate any additional light anyone can shine on this for me.

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  9. Matt Stone Avatar

    This is difficult to answer in a quick post because, as I’ve indicated, the word is used in so many different ways that a great deal of clarification is required before two conversation partners can be sure they are actually talking about the same thing.
    But, with that caveat in mind, I would say the problem panen-theism (as opposed to pan-entheism) from a Christian perspective is that panen-theism implies a mutual dependency between Creator and creation, and this in turn raises a whole host of other issues.
    Principle amongst these problems are ones to do with “theodicy”, or in less theological jargon, the problem of evil. If Creator is dependant on creation in any way only two options are open, either the Creator cannot be truly perfect and holy or evil within creation must in some way be relativized. Process theology is the most famous outcome of the first approach, more Gnostic-like theologies are often the outcome of the second.
    In contrast to panen-theism, pan-entheism places much more weight on the holiness of God and takes evil much more seriously.
    Questions worth pondering over here are: Is there a distinction between creation and fall? Can a fallen creation be one with God without atonement? Is there a sence in which oneness with God is a present reality and another sense in which it is still to come?

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  10. Chuck Avatar
    Chuck

    Thanks for your prompt response, Matt, but I’m afraid I’m just not to the point where I’m ready to deal with the more profound concepts you alluded to, such as “atonement” and the nature of evil (although I suspect that the latter is merely the absence of good as opposed to a separate force in its own right — just as darkness is only an absence of light). Right now, I’m just trying to come to grips with whether God created the universe, and if so, was (is) the creation separate from God and, similarly, is the universe now separate from God or part of God. As I said before, so far panen-theism is the best word I’ve come across to describe my early conclusions so I guess I’ll keep using it until a better one comes along or I change my mind about these particular issues. I’m looking forward to exploring those other concepts too, though, as I stroll along the path so I’ll keep checking in with you from time to time.

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  11. Matt Stone Avatar

    For understanding how something can come out of nothing and imbalance can emerge out of balance try goolgling “symmetry breaking”. If you’re into science its a concept you may find worth exploring in the precess of coming to grips with “God” and creation.
    It coming to grips with the Christian God though I find there is just no going past the resurrection of Christ. Our understanding of God and creation is profoundly shaped by it.

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