9 thoughts on “Mark Driscoll Screaming How Dare You

  1. I’ll cross post what I said to Sonya on Facebook, who found it less constructive:
    “Yes, I had very mixed feelings myself. On the one hand, good to see someone calling a spade a spade where abuse is concerned. On the other hand, the video itself verged on the abusive. Still, on the other hand, might this be exactly what is required to get through to abusers? Would they respect something gentler and well, more female friendly? And yet, we are told love is gentle. So, mixed feelings as I said. Which of course prompts me to throw it out there for debate.”
    So guys, do you think this is a very ‘male’ message, and possibly necessarily so? What of the impact on women then?

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  2. Matt. I have had a bit to do with abusers in my social work. That includes a lot of case work with released sex offenders – mostly convicted paedophiles. A tough, straight talking and firm but non-aggressive approach worked the best with them. However, there were times that it had to be reinforced with tougher stuff when that strategy did not appear to be working. Still its quite different when you’ve got the leverage of the Police, Corrections and DOCS in your professional case work team than when you’re handling it as a pastor.
    To me, you can generally get your point across without shouting.
    So after some thought I also have mixed feelings about his ranting and shouting method, but not necessarily about the general gist of what he said.
    Sounds like he was saying it in frustration after work with someone who was an abuser which had failed. Not a good sign.
    Nevertheless I have witnessed similar from a legendary Aussie preacher (JS), who felt calling a spade a spade was a right approach. In that case and context it was.
    Was it so called “tough love” from Driscoll or not?
    Think we need to know more facts about the actual context in which he said it.

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  3. Another way to look at this is whether what Driscoll did was fair and just?
    Was the congregational forum the appropriate stage to say what he did?
    Did it re-victimize the abused, the non-abusers there or the abusers themselves?
    Did it constitute some sort of breach of trust?
    He said at one stage he loved them all. But was what he did a thoughtful and wise “act of [pastoral/prophetic] love?
    Is berating people “from above” – from a pulpit where he has all the power – an act of bullying in itself?
    Is it the best way to deal with this issue?
    Certainly I think sexual abuse and violence needs to be spoken about and against by preachers, but was this an example of the best way to do it? (I don’t really think so).
    Am thinking it out on the run…will maybe add some more comments later on once I have reflected a bit more.

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  4. I always like how you present other angles from which to view an issue, Andrew. I would never (or certainly not immediately) have thought of the re-victimization of the abused in the Driscoll scenario.
    Not having a regular “platform” kind of ministry, myself, I imagine that sometimes it may be difficult to choose the most appropriate venue and delivery style for conveying a message about sensitive subject matter. From what I have observed, many contemporary preachers conduct themselves from the pulpit in a very familiar kind of manner with their crowd. They see the congregants en masse week after week and speak to them as a familiar friend, without taking into account that the friend is not a solitary identity, but in fact a group made up of individuals in diverse circumstances, each of whom may react/respond differently to the message. It seems to be an occupational hazard, and obviously there are blunders made from time to time. God’s grace is available for all concerned when such errors occur.

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  5. Does this uptight self-righteous dude look as though he is happy or Alive In and As the all pervasive Spirit.
    Or does he look as though he wants to “righteously” kick heads and butts.

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  6. I actually heard (for a class) the full, hour long message. He does actually mention multiple times throughout the message that this one is specifically meant for men; that if he were speaking at all to women also, he’d have a fully different tone and delivery, but that he’s seen in his experiences that with men you often have to be more blunt, direct, and forceful for a message like “grow up” to sink in.
    This was one of the loudest, direct parts, at the end, and directed to people who were convicted yet drowning him out, as he said, “already giving the girl THAT look” to say that they’re not going to talk about it, or intimidating them not to say anything, etc. So just know that HE knows that this would not be an appropriate way for addressing women or most people even. But I can see how just having this short excerpt would make him seem terribly rash, mean, unpleasant, etc.

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  7. I just want to add a different perspective to this discussion. As an abused woman, it was not a revictimization to hear a message like this. For once, we were publicly defended. For once, someone was able to look a man in the eye and deliver to him what he has delivered to so many others. Do you think that Jesus would gently tap on the shoulder and calmly chat with a man who had just raped or beaten a woman? I like to think not. The God I serve is ANGRY about sin. Mark is not condemning the sinner to a life in he’ll. He is, in fact, demanding repentance. Not only do I think this is Biblical… But as a woman who has suffered time and time again at the hand of sick and malicious men… It brought hope that a man of God can be so strong, so direct and defend a woman. I wept… And thanked God that someone finally stood eye to eye with the men who force others to cower. He didn’t cower.

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